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I was once a Evangelical Christian. I did the whole laying on of hands, speaking in tongues and general spouting of hate. Of course I didn't realize that is what I was doing. I thought what I was doing was spreading love. I consider myself blessed that I was able to break free of the bondage of religion and can now express my true self.
A great man once said, "You must be the change that you want to see in the world." I hope to change every day.
So you are saying that only something that is completely outside of the realm of human experience is able to tell us what is good or bad? That humans are incapable of understanding morality at all?
Ha ha, yes one would be an idiot to believe that. It's true that some people believe this, but neither real life nor the Bible back up this belief. The Bible is filled with tons of people who don't follow the Judeo-Christian God or Jesus that are often shown doing acts of good and being moral as well as it showing time after time the extreme moral failures of God's own people.
@GinGin - I can't speak for Lollipop Boy, but I think what he means is that some Christians believe that God puts something in the hearts of people - their conscience - that tells them right from wrong, and that God's commandments are "written on their hearts" so that they know deep down inside that, for example, murder is wrong although no one may have told them that. I think this might be in Romans, but I don't understand the passage so I can't comment on it. What I do know, however, is that in life a person's conscience is "programmed" by what they are told or choose to believe. Because of what we are taught or believe our consciences all work differently. The Bible may agree with this in Proverbs 22:6 when it says, "Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it." For example, my girl wants me to go with her to a country concert that also serves alcohol during the event which Biblically speaking isn't wrong, but since I was taught by some Christians that places that serve alcohol are supposedly wrong to go to my conscience bothers me despite the fact I know even Jesus drank alcohol in the Bible.
Anyway, obviously humans are fully capable of understanding right from wrong.
As far as God existing outside human experience, according to the Bible in Hebrews 4:15 Jesus Christ was said to be God invading the human experience and suffering along with us so that he could relate to us in most ways: "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin." But I'm not sure if that's relevant to the topic at hand.
I think what Lollipop Boy might mean by "there would be no good in the world" is that since according to the Bible God created the universe that he also created the rules of good and evil (and math and science and etc), meaning that if he authored it then he's the authority on it. For example, we can make 2+2=fish but it won't be correct. Morals aren't universally agreed upon like math though and it can be difficult to understand what to do in every given situation. His stance on this might be that without the author of good there would be no good, however this creates a paradox as he would have needed to exist in order to define what good or evil is. I think a better refutation would be if God never existed then mankind would be free to decide for themselves what is right from what is wrong. Or nothing would exist, creating another paradox. lol